She was wearing a black or gray t-shirt and blue underwear. (883931) Full autopsy reports of all 3. Told everyone I was bipolar, that we were divorced, even took me to one of his counseling sessions to prove I was the one with the problem. Why else would he go there with 3 bodies? Did you have to cover something up for Shannan? Shannan wasnt answering phone calls or text and missed her doctors appointment. He eventually disappeared for long time, gave me house. Which she combed over the menu trying to come up with that amount for one person. In addition, it became clear that she used bed as a punishment. Then he asks to talk to his dad. If someone begins to strangle you while youre in a deep sleep and laying down you may never regain enough consciousness to fight back. He may have sprung himself on her in the bathroom, came in after her and turned the light off or something, being an easier/tiled place to clean up any traces? From what I can understand of the facts in this case- there were no scratches to Chris. And the life insurance policies out on the 3 girls, not sure Nico yet, was not very much at all. Thats fine, but since thats the case, its better that you head elsewhere where youll feel more comfortable. According to the arrest affidavit and footage from a security camera in the interview room, he failed a polygraph test and subsequently confessed to murdering Shanann. She hurt my kids., Chris said, Theyre in a freakin oil tank. Shan'ann, Bella and Celeste Watts 25 Page Autopsy Report | TRUE CRIME ROCKET SCIENCE TRUE CRIME ROCKET SCIENCE True Crime Analysis, Breakthroughs, Insights & Discussions Hosted by Bestselling Author Nick van der Leek CRIME NEWS WATTS KNOX JonBenet MCCANN WM3 PENDING TOOLBOX TCRS YOUTUBE ARCHIVE Take Jodi Arias she lured him into a shower and made sure she was armed and he was naked, vulnerable and unsuspecting when she attacked him. what proof does this autopsy shows that chris beyond a reasonable doubt killed his kids?. Then he agreed to go to Aspen with her for the weekend following her death. If this is true, what a sad sad world we live in for the love of money is the root of all evil. I believe those stains were on the sheets and thats why they were pulled off. I think he may have snapped and killed Bella first. Rigor mortis lasts 8-12 hours. At the end of the day there are no good reasons to commit murder, especially of ones own flesh and blood, but there may be valuable lessons to learn from figuring out how this could have happened. Weld County DA In the text, Shanann also tells Chris that he hasn't shown any signs of missing her in the weeks they have been apart. If the digestive tract opens up at death, where did Shannan, Bella and Celeste poop? It is my observation that Bella was unconscious but still breathing when she was and stomped on her head to get her into the tank. I cant believe the police let them stay in there. @Nickhi, in answer to your question about the suitcase she might have been so exhausted and wanting to get to bed right away that she left it downstairs, figuring she would deal with it in the morning. But there were some issues. But then whats your scenario? For starters there was only ONE cadaver dog (the Lab) who indicated only TWO places in the house the spot in the basement between the stairs and the heating system fan, and by the rear sliding door! Its definately not most. I am not saying he touched the purse. Everyone on here who has mentioned ocd has an opinion formed by stereotypes theyve heard. Would he have cleaned up Shannans stuff if he didnt kill them? @Karen did she get dressed for bed, or did she simply take of her jeans, throw off her flip-flops and decide to settle down for a couple of hours sleep wearing the bra, panties and t-shirt that she arrived home in? I meant three perfectly formed humans. No one deserves what happened to those kids and their mother-you have issues. The DA mentioned that. This sick bastard should have done everyone a favor and took his own life. Not the best proof, but it adds to the chance there was planning. Do you think he ninja-attacked her the moment she entered the house? Shanann Watts Cause of Death: How Did the Colorado Mother Die? It seems as if the account Chris gave once he was finally in jail and writing letters was the truth. She was an environmental science person. Then I think he panicked and was scared and didnt know what to do. When the girls were not at daycare, and at home, they took very long naps, and also had a 6:30 pm bedtime, sleeping 630-6:30. But I am of course hoping that she was totally unaware in her unconsciousness. @Carol: OCD appears at least 5 times in the Discovery Documents. Thus, the little girls may have been unconscious but they were NOT COMPLETELY DEAD YET.and that is how oil got into their LUNGS !!!!!!!!! Folks seem to think wanting to know why means supporting Watts or blaming his wife. They dissipate in inconvenient circumstances. Thats a harsh indictment to a woman who cant defend herself. I have read through this entire post and this is the one question that I dont think is getting enough attention. In fact, I wonder if LeVel pulled some strings in Chris plea bargain it would certainly be better for the MLM to not have details about its pernicious effect on this familys finances coming out in a court trial. October 3, 2018 / 12:35 PM / CBS Colorado. How did Shanann Watts die? Thats a power-nap another thing MLM folk are good at. https://www.ftc.gov/sites/default/files/documents/public_comments/trade-regulation-rule-disclosure-requirements-and-prohibitions-concerning-business-opportunities-ftc.r511993-00010%C2%A0/00010-57283.pdf. When youre pregnant, your chest grows significantly and pretty rapidly- its completely understandable that she might have been wearing one to bed. She strangled them.. Im a survivor. Seriously? Its what seems to make sense, based on the info we recently learned. @Kaye Im thinking the girls were killed after Shanann because he knew she would look in on them, perhaps kiss them, before turning to bed herself.>>>When he murdered Shanann, how do you think he did it? Once the body dies the lower digestive tract opens up. Based on the history provided and the autopsy findings, the cause of death is asphyxiation due to smothering. I wrote a book that tried to integrate information, not just throw the information in the air and shrug. And all I can see is ShanAnns MLM addiction coupled with the desire to live well beyond her means, to give an impression that she was rich-rich-rich, which Im sure she envisioned as a way to promote her business get new people to sign on. So Chris Watts said she barely got into bed, and soshe barely got into bed? I find it more comfortable & Ive always been afraid of sagging. Even if he raged and killed Shannon because she killed her girls, I would much rather be guilty for killing Shannon because she killed my babies then be a monster guilty of killing my daughters so I would have called for help so the cops could do their job and get the evidence to back up my story. One thing that was truthful that came out of NKs mouth was that he lied about everything. There is no sympathy for that psychopath period. i did not read many commentsso maybe others have notice thisCeces autopsys did not reveal her oesophasagus( maybe wrong spelling )surgery?this can be a reason why CW tried to keep all of them health documentation avoid been public recorded?becausethere may have been some exageration about it ?on the other sideinsurance policies would have not give them money so maybe this is why the medical bills so heavy?there is something that i dont understand? I own this site, and have posted hundreds of blogs, and written 4 books on the Watts case. I actually don't understand this and would think the opposite would actually be true. So Shananns OCD personality stopped that night? Under anaerobic conditions (absence of free oxygen) acids such as lactic acid, acetic acid and butyric acid are produced during decomposition, as well as a number of alcohols which include butyl alcohol, ethyl alcohol and acetone. Time of death for all three victims is unknown. There was no oil in Ceces stomach. I had assumed all the way through that he had used a pillow. Maybe im not reading this correctly or i missed it but what proof does this autopsy shows that chris beyond a reasonable doubt killed his kids? This is horrific, shocking, my mind is greatly troubled by this aspect. No. Dont mislead people into believing there should be feces in the location of a murder. Thankyou Nick for all your studies, research and insights. But I want to know so badly the time of death. He asked one time if he should go look for his familyhe did not ask again about looking and he did not seem overly concerned, the police report said. He knew immediately Watts was guilty as well as the neighbor viewing the camera. OCD can be like gluten-sensitivities. For more information on having conversations at this site: https://crimerocket.com/2018/12/21/true-crime-rocket-science-how-to-have-conversations-on-this-site-and-how-not-to/. It was already reported that Shannan evacuated her bowels when dying and that is why he took the sheet off, He told police that. Shanann Watts. Shannan did not have any marks on her face indicative of a punch, slap, or anything at all. On Aug. 13, 2018, Chris strangled Shanann, 34, in their Colorado home. Then I think he went into the girls rooms. Kick him? I am new to this case, a couple of months of watching/listening to your videos Nick, and I am now working my way through your books. That does not necessarily equate to being a psychiatric disorder, just personal empowerment. So wheres the problem here? I dont know why, but I have a deep need (would have never expected this) to discuss what happened, and I need to be honest with my observations. @nickvdl Hi. This story breaks my heart. He resented how close they all were and was sadistic enough to hurt her. She often plied them with food and treats and I just felt like she needed to set some boundaries. I feel like maybe she did meet them. He knew now that he had to kill Shanann because she would find out. I would just like to express an opinion of mine to you and all your readers. The police reports contain a conversation Chris had with his father. His mom I think knew about it prior. He found her phone between the cushions. You see any documents with that diagnosis? Cassie Rosenberg Page 626 Could be so because Shanann had no defensive wounds and he said she didnt fight. In terms of your comments about respect, you clearly have no respect for my work. Anyways, interesting theories guysthanks! I see it is listed as pronounced and no estimates of time for cause of death? She felt that he is going out to pour oil on the bodies to dispose of them. Her husband spoke to Chris and he was not shedding a tear about his missing family.. Ive wondered if he made her a drink when she got home, a smoothie with some type of alcohol that you wouldnt taste in it to knock her out because she didnt drink. He has to be asked if he EVER went to look at Bella and see what condition she was in. It was on an automatic answering thing. Based on the history provided and the autopsy findings, the cause of death is asphyxiation due to manual strangulation by another individual. Never mind! parents are hardly ever at the ones to determine that nothing can be done to save their children. Parents reach for any hope, even if the child is blue, even if rigor has set in, theyre desperate and people who are not emotionally involved as them, professionals,have to tell them its too late. I sense some disciplinary issues, and Ive seen her being absolutely overwhelmed as to how to really effectively handle even the most basic of situations. Also she seemed to have every intention to work things out while he was having an affair and according to him getting divorced. She just laid there still because he was in such a rage? According to the Denver Channel, Watts received three life prison terms without the possibility of parole. In that sense when you learn her OCD was a significant factor, you ask how significant. How was she about her childrens allergies? You may say murder itself is cowardice, but if youre the murderer, youre taking a huge risk, and if youre an introverted murderer, youre being your version of brave by physically confronting and attacking someone. This was the last time she was seen alive. I think she died in bed after being knocked unconscious using Marks ethanol method. He dug the grave with a shovel. Unfortunately she never got the chance. I dont think I know everything, but I do know more about this case than most. The manner of death is homicide, the autopsy for Bella said. They were smothered. Theres another case that does involve a murder by a husband on a bed, through manual strangulation, and they found small drops of his and her blood on the sheets, as well as traces of her feces elsewhere in the room. It is a condition that causes you to have irrational and uncontrolled thoughts, and the only way to make the thoughts stop, is to perform a ritual. Shed been drinking?? The money was going somewhere, and the ultimate location all points to ShanAnn the expensive preschool for their girls while ShanAnn quit work to be a stay-at-home mom (she could have been taking care of them herself during the day instead of paying top dollar for strangers to); the Leona Helmsley-level of excessive expensive shoes; that trip to Arizona (which ShanAnn had to pay for) when they were in such a dire financial disaster (credit cards all maxxed out) in service to her MLM; the expensive leased car whose payments werent guaranteed to be paid by the MLM company; all those manicures (those aint cheap) and so on and so forth. The girls were described as light sleepers, and I wonder if this was because in fact they were sleeping too much, because wow, that is a lot of sleep, even for their ages. They were out of town and it was still spotless. If you read through the autopsies very well you will see that the oldest girl, Bella, actually bit her tongue several times and had many injuries in her mouth. He kind of giggled & said like you mean like on TV like a magician. While officers were waiting, Christopher confessed to killing Shanann, and getting rid of the bodies of Celeste and Bella. They should have been talked to later. The coroner even said the way she was strangled is indicative of a person not putting up a fight. She was calling him honey, and being all lovey dovey in her messages to him all weekend. https://www.medicaldaily.com/what-forensic-scientist-doesnt-tell-you-7-postmortem-responses-dead-body-314404. Considering the size of shananns house before they moved there. False nails like ShanAnn was so fond of wearing dont scratch skin as effectively as natural nails do they arent as sharp. The one person who took a few breaths almost immediately fainted. Hes asked whether Shannan was strangling CeCe or smothering her, at first he says strangling because this is the only thing that makes his story believable but afterwards he knows theyll be no marks so he says hes not sure. The autopsy also made no references to elevated levels of any Thrive-related chemicals. If Im interpreting the autopsy correctly he effectively smothered and strangled at the same time but I never see this mentioned anywhere. Bella was wearing pink pajama-type top with images of hearts and butterflies. Poor thing. He said the blood alcohol is normal after you die. A trillion to bullshit thats what they are!!! Part of the evidence that he put into the trash. Every detail was wrong for them as a couple and as a family. He went from great dad to not wanting anything to do with them, me or any responsibilities. Here is what the International OCD Foundation says. I have a question. The kids had two wack jobs for parents. One of the unknowns in this case is why Watts did what he did. But youre not thinking any further than that. Maybe we can do a group letter and petition: dear Watts, what happened??! Little Celeste, thankfully, seemed to have no idea what was happening to her. It just seems to me that Bella would actually have had to swallow the oil to get it into her stomach. Dont forget, she is pregnant. Death is simply not pretty, nor was it meant to be. That sounds very very snarky. To do her business? Christopher Watts, the husband of pregnant Shanann Watts and the father of Bella and 3-year-old Celeste, pleaded guilty to killing all three in August. They did not even attend the wedding and barely knew their grandchildren from what I gathered. You can argue till the cows come home and all you end up arguing is that she could be in any non-specific place in the house. That discussion included stating she couldnt afford to live in Colorado as a single mom, AND she would have to immediately pull the girls out of school to save money. The autopsy reports for Shanann Watts and her two young daughters show that all three were asphyxiated to death, and it's probable that 4-year-old Bella Watts fought for her life.. I have to wonder if somehow she woke up and saw what happened to her Mommy. The manner of death is homicide, the autopsy report says. Chris is dead inside. This dog did not find any place of interest (both seemed to be keen on searching by the basement bed) he said he had to raise the girls arms up to get them into the hatches of the oil tank. Shan'ann Watts -Autopsy,grave details.Graphic! I also think the MLM biz attracts people that are lost, and need to be directed and consumed by something. The ethanol levels are perplexing though; even in decomposition they are rarely above .07. She seemed to be in pajamas which indicates she got into bed, which sickly matches up with his barely got into bed remark, The sheets were stripped because they probably got pulled off anyway during the act. ( oh & yes there were handprints in both sides of her neck according to autopsy ) on his arms? @Eleni Let me put it this way there is zero evidence that Shanann was upstairs. And so on. In the first half of this demo, you have them face to face when the attack occurs. I also believe he had that conversation in the morning because I dont know many women that sleep in their bras. Remember it wasnt just the suitcase downstairs, her purse was downstairs too. Shanann was strangled and the children were smothered. Before I became a police officer- I was an EMT and I worked for 8 months for a company that transports dead bodies from where they die to funeral homes or the medical examiner. could also suggest a Stranglehold. I was in one temporarily an Acai drink, it really tried to make you ocd about $ and prestige attaining the unattainable honestly. Would love your thoughts, please comment. I agree. As for the one person Im referring to I think ignoring them is pretty much a good idea (: Im not a contributor to this conversation. And of course she loved her children, and she was a great mom. Theyd already pulled $10,000 out of Chris 401K to try and get caught up on their mortgage, but they were somehow burning through money like there was no tomorrow. As CrimeOnline previously reported, Chris Watts tried to pin the murders of 3-year-old Celeste and 4-year-old Bella on his wife when he first confessed to murdering Shanann, who was 15 weeks pregnant at the time. Mucho menos que estaba enferma. Time needed to cause petechiae is; Fifteen to thirty seconds (Anscombe and Knight 1996); Ten to thirty seconds (Plattner et al 2005); Fifteen seconds maximum (Copley & Kozam 1951) using the capillary fragility test; Shortly after gravity inversion in healthy individuals (Friberg & Weinreb 1985) Also this is awful but he said he had to raise the girls arms up to get them into the hatches of the oil tank. D: Oil, water and sludge debris was found in her stomach. Anyway, either you get it, or you dont. Is there any way you can send it to my email please. Nickole called Chris several times and he kept giving different arrival times. They say: Chris told his father, She hurt them. Want to keep up with the latest. I dont know why the Watts murders have affected me like this. Carol, I think you are absolutely spot on, and on all points too. Watts pleaded guilty to murdering Shanann, Celeste and Bella to avoid the death penalty. *** Wearing a bra to bed is in fact QUITE common with busty women**. You can see it in his eyes. She asked him to keep the receipt for taxes. I also believe in my heart that Shannan did not hurt her babies He asked to speak to his father before confessing. At least I would have. It could be all the thrive he was taking. Defining post mortem bruising requires qualified scientific investigation. Ditto who died first and last. He had a schedule and he was sticking to it. Can anyone comment about the oil content in the one childs stomach? There is cowardice involved but theres an easier way to attack and subdue someone than to wait for them to fall asleep. RIP Angels. From their text messages & hers to friends you can tell he was trying to make her believe they had a chance & things were getting better. Chris stated that his wife smothered her children and im sure hes lying but i was hoping to read somewhere here of proof that chris also smothered his kids. He had a plan to kill them all, all along. The carpet was cleaned, and laundry done in the Peterson case. Police photos If they were pliable makes me wonder if they were not deceased that long before he was able to shove them into the tanks. Shannan's cause of death was strangulation while an autopsy found crude oil in Bella and Celeste's throats, stomach and lungs. You get to know the people involved in a criminal investigation pretty well after writing 4 x 30 000+ word narratives. read befor comment on subjectit is well describedecomposition did this. I actually do not believe that there was any sedation to the girls or his wife. The mark on his neck might have been from Bella; Shanann had really long nails. Therefore your theory is not valid. He ran into Ceces bedroom and got on top of Shannan. Scares me honestly. https://youtu.be/U8fe6Ckeh5A?t=210. But, wait a minute, he is that selfish and only thinks of himself, and he is too much of a coward. Her body had been out in the warm Spring sun for 3 days, leaving the blood and fluids to ferment, if you will, which could have resulted in a false positive post mortem BAC. He is responsible for his own actions, many people live with worse and dont kill anyone. I really think that the pregnancy started the whole thing. CW was already working out his plan to annihilate his family around the time he was getting ready to make his daughters some dinner. Hed let her snuggle him that morning. think mass gall stones) the bottom line is CW is a Covert Narcissist whose life would enevidably have unraveled at some point as covert express traits thus as a pattern of behavior. Celeste and Bellas bodies were each inside one of the tanks. Good to have a former forensic detective around. He organized the bins in the basement. Addendum: The cadaver dog wasaso very interested in the washing machine and his handler, Jayne, says quite clearly that her dog has scented death by the machine (check the K9 video, but watch the volume, the cadaver dogs bark is quite shrill! I was married to someone, super attentive dad, husband. Supposedly he took them out of school and said they wouldnt be coming back. Im sure if he were pretending to sleep she would have been so tired she would have gone to sleep right away, thinking well talk in the morning, things will be better tomorrow. Or even creepier, but fitting the narcissist he is, asked her to lie down and talk to him, maybe even told her he was sorry and wanted to try and work things out and then pinned her down and strangled her. The womans home was spotless & there was a place for everything & everything was labeled! Nick, have any of her docs said she had clinical OCD? Her friend had to tiptoe around the place when she stayed over for fear of waking the kids up. No screams were heard in the middle of the night. I was in Colorado in the area on vacation the week this happened last August and the whole thing is sickening and deeply troubling to me. Or putting her down. Chris was photographed head to toe & didnt have one mark on his body consistent with somebody fighting for their life from being strangled. I go on youtube and so many parents are killing their kids. Chokeholds and Strangleholds are used in martial arts, combat sports, self-defence, law enforcement and in military hand to hand combat applications. And anyone on this thread acting as if the mother plays any part(or the mistress) for that matter..well you are just as psychotic. I had assumed all the way she was strangled is indicative of a punch, slap, you! Would actually have had to kill Shanann because she would find out are absolutely spot on and. Martial arts shannan watts autopsy combat sports, self-defence, law enforcement and in military hand hand. 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