My though would be maybe its a bad idea having all of the stones except one on a desolate planet with 2 narcissists who have proven in the past not capable of respecting the consequences of using infinity stones(and one of them seems to do it again in the next Spider-Man). In the fight Thanos would have wanted Strange to attempt to use the time stone so that he can see the stone and take it. While Strange could control time with the Even Thanos himself questions it during their fight. The other key difference between the two situations is knowledge of the Time Stone. You may have also seen/heard him on the Total Geekall podcast, unaffiliated YouTube channels, BBC Radio and CBC News. And a time loop isn't quite an immovable object. Joshua Isaak is a Comics Staff Writer for Screenrant and attended New York University. So i doubt Strange can use that on such a hurry situation. In the world of chess, an "endgame" strategy refers to the tactic of promoting a pawn into a more powerful piece and turn the tide of the game. Attempting to use his magic to find a better way might have set off an Incursion as well. There may be only one way to do that. The time loop only worked on Dormammu like that because his realm had no relative time. Strange using the time stone meaning he likely would have failed if he tried. So it appearsthat Doctor Strange wanted the Snap to occur, although some fans have taken the theory even further. Round 3: Doctor Strange with time stone (with prep AND foresight) vs 4-stone Thanos, 20 feet apart, time loop already activated. He's covered a wide range of movies and TV shows - from digging out obscure MCU Easter eggs to diving deep into deeper meanings of arthouse fare - and has covered a litany of set visits, junkets and film festivals. Strange has to ensure the BEST possible outcome that includes killing thanos with as little casualities. The theory is very convincing, as it's true that without the Snap, Earth would've likely been destroyed. Before Thanos arrives, the group begins formulating a plan to defeat him. RELATED: Avengers: Endgame Had A Better Thor Than Chris Hemsworth For One Deadly Reason. Endgame revealed that this included the Avengers discovering time travel, going back to get the Stones, making the Stark tech gauntlet, and bringing everybody back to life before Tony snapped his fingersand sacrificed himself to kill Thanos. As a result, Doctor Strange hands over the Time Stone to the villain, allowing Thanos to take one step closer to wiping out half the universe. Growing up in the English countryside on a mixture of Star Wars, The Simpsons and Aardman, Alex is a lifelong movie obsessive. Isn't it simply explained that it needed to be the precise individuals who needed to survive (and come back with Hulk's snap)? Doctor Strange's Role In Avengers: Endgame, snap greatly damaged Thanos and the Infinity Gauntlet, Time Travel In The MCU & Avengers: Endgame Explained, Chris Pratt Joins Luigi Actor To Troll Super Mario Bros. Movie Voice Critics, MCU Vibranium Theory Answers Major Origin Questions. Why didn't he repeat the trick on Thanos in Avengers: Infinity War? Thanos can basically use the stones to make a bubble of independent reality around his body, meaning he can still act outside of time. Thanos has stones here. Strange moved the apple forward after only practicing with the Stone for a minute - imagine what he would be capable of if he had just a little more time to hone his skills. Display of strength is not characteristic of him. There are practically infinite possibilities and who's to say that there aren't more but he just didn't look past that first one. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Ant-man pops out kicks off the time heist. One could interpret the other stones as independent of time. But there wasn't enough onscreen proof that the events casted by reality stone is more than hyper-realistic illusion, and DS might be able to see through it given that he is a soccerer supreme. If heknew about this event, then hemay have taken it into account when giving Thanos the Time Stone. Otherwise any number of other people present when he has the stones uses them or seeks them out or becomes a bigger threat. And he also didn't have his sling ring or else they could've regrouped on earth after they landed on titan. If that's the case, how would Thanos know to use dark magic to protect himself against a threat that he couldn't even fathom yet (in terms of knowing how the magic itself actually works)? Web#Thanos #DoctorStrange #InfinityWar"We're in the Endgame now." Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness showed an alternate ending to Avengers: Infinity War and Avengers: Endgame where Thanos was defeated on Earth-838. "Oh, we win in 1 of 14,000,000 scenarios? Based on feats and logic Strange wins all rounds via time stop. Doctor Strange beat Dormammu by trapping him in a time loop. By sacrificing Gamora and thus earning a contract with the stone, it would ensure he was not killed or incapacitated in such a way that he would fail his mission to obtain all six Infinity Stones. Yes, the other stones could be used to stop Strange, but only once he has time to actually use them, which he wouldn't. At first, it appears that Doctor Strange gives the Time Stone to Thanos in exchange for Tony's life. , Honestly revealing it at all is too risky he could just snap and suddenly the eye is bubbles and strange can't harness the power and then he can just walk through them either way and get it, On top of that there's nothing honestly stopping him from sending strange to the dead of space or turning him into bubbles and he an do that just as fast or faster than strangest time magic. Thousands of other tiny variables that could affect the outcome of the battle. Only Star Lord was willing sacrifice a loved one to save the universe and for that he gained Thanos respect. Strange saw millions of possible futures and only saw one that ended in victory and that was the one that happened in Endgame. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. His victory in Avengers:Infinity War ultimately comes down to his sheer force of will and ability to do what the Avengers and Guardians wouldn't to achieve his goal. The mostobvious comes from those 14 million futures Doctor Strange saw; it's entirely possible thathe did attempt to use the Time Stone in one or more of them, only for it to not succeed in ultimately stopping Thanos. I like the comparison when Thanos changed the piece of scrap metal that got dropped on him into some type of large dark bats and when Doctor Strange did something similar to him he was expecting something worse and got butterflies. Round 1: Doctor Strange with time stone ( no prep) vs 4-stone Thanos, 20 feet apart, can both activate at the very moment the battle starts. In Marvel Comics, there are numerous ways one can travel through time, or even manipulate it to one's own advantage. Strange to truly conjure up what he would consider to be a victory from the situation.". Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. The person needs to consciously think and act to get them to do the things you want. Although Avengers: Infinity War debuted in theaters nearly four years ago, MCU fanatics can't help but debate over one pivotal scene involving everyone's favorite Sorcerer, Doctor Stephen Strange (Benedict Cumberbatch). Stones destroyed. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Or thanos would have been defeated but then our heroes would have died in the process to do it and thus earth is once again defenesless. ), -No Ant man still? He once asked Tom Cruise about his supposedly fake-butt in Valkyrie (he swore it was all real). Indeed, Dormammu was from the Dark Dimension, an alternate world that is removed from any conventional understanding of time. What if Thanos takes the stone during one of the loops? Warning - the rest of this article contains spoilers for Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness. Seeing that this battle is as important as it is Dr. 13 Captain America Cap was able to hold back a nearly unstoppable Thanos with just his bare hands, an impressive physical feat. Thats the way he got Peter to pop out of different portals while fighting Thanos as well as Mantis dropping down on his head. Allowing him to sense the passage, even within a loop, was key to wearing down his defenses(and rounding out Doctor Strange'sexploration of the fear of death). There could have been a million ways to defeat thanos, but doing so in those ways may have left the stones in tact and thus a few years after thanos dies, someone else shows up and kills everyone. This came after this universe's Doctor Strange used the Darkhold to Dream Walk across the Multiverse and use a plan different from the one the prime Strange used in Infinity War, in which Thanos won and killed half of humanity for five years. But either way, it's still a compelling theory that's fun to believe in, as it adds even more weight to Strange's Infinity War actions. Welcome to /r/FanTheories! Wait, why the heck would Doctor Strange willingly give Thanos the stone? Fans constantly theorize about Doctor Strange's sacrifice, with many claiming he gives up the Time Stone because the only way the Avengers can defeat Thanos is after he collects all of the Infinity Stones and erases half of the universe. can any of the stones help Thanos in gaining victory if Doctor Strange has already foreseen every possible moves he could make? Warning! Then he would use the 4 stones to overpower the time stone and strange would lose his stone. new Spider-Man trailer seems to imply hes not worthy of the time stone either. If even a small mistake or deviation from the plan was made he would rewind time and try again. You have raised a good point though, personally I was under the impression that the loop spell can only be undo by Doctor Strange himself (the caster), since no matter how many times Dormammu destroyed him along with the eye of agamotto which contains the stone itself (from within the time-incarnations) over and over again through countless time loops, and it still could not break the spell. I don't think Strange can traverse universe that easily, or that he could do it at all. I hardly doubt they will beat or undo his actions simply by physical force. During the battle on Titan at the end of Infinity War, it's assumed that Doctor Strange did everything he could to In fact, one of these solutions ended up being effective, resulting in Thanos' death during a conflict on Titan. If you didnt know, then Doctor Strange at his absolute best had fought someone who was wielding all the Infinity Stones, and thats Adam Warlock. In Avengers: Infinity War and Avengers: Endgame, Strange made it clear that there was only one way to defeat Thanos among more than 14 million options that he looked into. Kaecilius summoned Dormamu through some kind of ritual, and that took some serious preparation. Strange wasn't after stopping Thanos. Strange saw millions of possible futures and only saw one that ended in victory and that was the one And what of the titular "endgame" itself? The rat had to free Ant-man randomly. Tough to say, but I think Thanos might win this one still. What if Dr Strange kept looping time with Thanos?Just keep bargaining with Thanos until he gives up like with Dormamu.That would be quite the sight. Dormammu was ignorant of the stones and how they worked and how to use them. The group is composed of Charles Xavier, Mister Fantastic, Black Bolt, Captain Marvel, Captain Carter and Baron Mordo, who has replaced his world's Doctor Strange as both Sorcerer Supreme and a member of the Illuminati after his death. Is this the one?" New Movie News, Movie Trailers & upcoming Movie Reviews, Avengers 4 Theory Explains Why Doctor Strange Gave Thanos the Time Stone, Thanos Action Figure May Reveal His Updated Avengers: Endgame Armor, Avengers: Endgame LEGO Set Reveals a Massive Upgrade for War Machine, Avengers: Endgame - Once Again, It All Comes Down to Ant-Man, Avengers: Endgame Toy Offers Clear Look at Iron Man's Quantum Armor, 10 Worst Written Female Characters In An Action Movie, Revenge of the Sith Almost Had a Very Different 'I Am Your Father' Reveal. Strange decided that he can not leave it up to chance. It has always been evident that Doctor Strange is playing a long game at the end of Infinity War, despite its cataclysmicshort term consequences. Would have made for a In fact, Avengers: Secret Wars title logo and color scheme seem to signal Doctor Dooms Secret Wars upgrade as God Emperor Doom. However, a new fan theory may explain the rationale behind Strange's decision to relinquish the Infinity Stone he had sworn his life to protect in exchange for Tony Stark's life despite previously vowing to let the ArmoredAvenger die if given the choice. First using the six Stones to decimate half of the universe and then themselves, he indicated that he was willing to eliminate all life everywhere in Endgame before the Avengers took him down, turning him and his army to dust. Much of this has to do with the introduction of the Multiverse, which first came to the big screen in Spider-Man: No Way Home before expanding to new heights in Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness. But with the halving of the population, the emergence was delayed for another five years. Almost all of the heros have made major self sacrifices in order to save others in the past. By halving life on all planets, he essentially delayed the destruction of many Celestial-seeded worlds. Unlikely. Thanos is a master planner, he has thought of basically everything in most presentations of the character. He is a master of numerous fie Add in the ability to use his shield, and the fact that he can wield Thor's hammer, and Cap is just as capable as anyone. This is why I found this whole battle scenario quite interesting to think about. In light of this, a recent fan theory proposes that Strange foresaw the emergence from Eternals. Yeah but that's when thanos was conscious, I'm saying if they tried this instead of pulling his gauntlet off when he was incapacitated, This all takes place after he sees the only way to win, so you have to assume that he did all the ideas posted here so far and none of them worked. During Infinity War, in the battle of Titan, Doctor Strange was denied the opportunity of using his time stone against Thanos due to the (IMO) ingenuine-albeit-cop-out limitation of "one victory out of 14,000,605 possibilities" imposed by the scripted writer/directors. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. The pair bicker throughout the entire movie, but we're just supposed to believe that the Master of Mystical Arts wants to save Tony that desperately? After the game-changing events of Avengers: Endgame, Marvel Studios hasn't slowed downwith the story delivered thus far in Phase 4 of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Strength and power are not the same thing. In terms of strength physical strength no, Dr. Strange is not stronger than Thanos. Thanos is literall The Avengers' battle with Thanos for the fate of the Infinity Stones was a brutal one that almost resulted in the destruction of all life in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Despite a brief jaunt in Mathematics at Durham University, film writing was always his calling. So Strange would use the time stone > see himself get snapped away > Then what? The Illuminati Is All but Confirmed for 'Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness', Marvel's New Trailer for 'Doctor Strange 2' Has Fans Wondering if Wanda is the Villain, 'Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness' Will Be the Scariest MCU Movie Yet. If it were any other opponent, Thanos would obliterate them in secondsbut this is Kang, and Kang is master of seconds, days, years and more. There were TONS of ways to beat Thanos, BUT there was only one way to stop the stones which are ALL now in close proximity from being used by others. Then we wouldn't have another potentially multi billion dollars movie. If even one person is standing a few feet away from where they need to be they could be killed, injured, or too slow to help out another. If you are talking about MCU Dr Strange vs MCU Thanos , then Dr strange would win. In infinity war , he went toe to toe with Thanos who had 4 infin Perhaps, duringhis fight with Thanos in Infinity War, he could have aged Thanos into an early (late?) Despite Strange memorably saying "There was no other way" before disappearing in a haze of dust, he was quite wrong; there was indeed another way. I think that if the Time stone worked in that dimension, the gaunlet would work just fine, I mean the gaunlet is powered by the stones. Would have made for a less compelling story though i guess. Impossible, they needed 2 movies out of the Thanos arc. It took him 14 million possibilities to one that they succeeded in. Well if other people can show my view of the film is flawed I'll agree but it seemed like hes only able to continuous time loop and return from the dead in the dark dimension because there is no time there only the power of time that he brought with him. There's actually a lot more reasons why Strange didn't put Thanos in a time loop than it at first seems. Press J to jump to the feed. This exposed him to new plans and ways to combat Thanos, hinting that there may have been solutions present that didn't require Doctor Strange's plan in the MCU. In the prime MCU, Strange gave the Time Stone to Thanos after the Mad Titan stabbed Tony Stark, only leaving the villain one Infinity Stone short of completing the set as he left Strange, Stark, Spider-Man, and four of the Guardians of the Galaxy on Titan. This hints at the true cost of Doctor Strange subverting his plans from Infinity War and Endgame. During the intense and heartbreaking final act of Infinity War, Doctor Strange arrives on Titan with Iron Man (Robert Downey Jr.) and Spider-Man (Tom Holland). The one that they succeeded in Thanos, then Dr Strange would use the stone. Learn the rest of this article contains spoilers for Doctor Strange willingly give Thanos the time loop Than at! To consciously think and act to get them to do the things you want what Thanos! 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