Although, the 28 Nosler is an awesome cartridge. I was looking at a 7-300 win, 7-300NM, and a few others. ADG 300 . With RL26 I stuck a case in the chamber @ 3150fps. (Aim for center and bullet will not rise more than 5 inches nor fall more than 5 inches within the MPBR. Said barrels will also be throated long enough for seating such bullets above the powder reservoir. As you might guess, there isnt much trajectory/performance difference between the RUM and the Nosler. Vintersalg: Opptil 60 % rabatt + Gratis frakt over 499 kr Your results may vary. Full Member. Nothing to call home about, but its solid for any North American game to 7 or 800 yards based on about any standard metric. But, were I young and tough and starting from scratch, I might be lured into the .28 Nosler. Mag., 7mm RUM, 28 Nosler,) you dont need a 7 PRC. The 7mm PRC in center is the same overall length as the 7mm Rem Mag and achieves the same muzzle velocities, but does so in a fatter case with no belt. A major part of that depends on rifling twist. Just have the barrel throated so you can load those big pills way out there, to make room for more powder. Another vote for 7 rem mag. ELD-Match, Noslers 185-gr. Mag., the new .28 Nosler, and the over-the-top 7mm RUMa shoot-off to find the best, By If the muzzle energy is higher, it will leave the bullet with higher energy. This is not a rifle you want to weave through dog-hair timber. The .28 Nosler and 7mm RUM push the same bulletsjust faster. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. New member question. ADG makes 28 nosler brass for a great option. Like you said though, it's pretty tough to go wrong. They explain in part the enduring popularity of the 7mm Rem. I think if I was buying a hunting rifle, and just wanted to keep a few high quality boxes of factory ammo around, the I would go 7Rm. The belt has never been an issue for me. Given the same basic form and muzzle velocity (MV), a 180-grain, .284 bullet will fly flatter, drift less, and retain more energy downrange than a 180-grain .308 bullet . The 404 Jeffery sired the majority of Nosler's cartridge line, namely the 30 Nosler, 26 Nosler, and 33 Nosler as well as other cartridges like the 7mm Remington Short Action Ultra Magnum (SAUM). Adding two inches of barrel to the 24 inches of our 7mm Rem. The additional reach is tempting, but Id pay the price with a 26-inch, fairly heavy barrel. Was tempted to do a 270 WSM with 170 EOLs. And heres a top load for the 175-gr. The 28 Nosler uses .284 diameter bullets while the 300 Win Mag uses larger .308 bullets. Then Remington blew the doors wide open with their new 7mm magnum chambered in their equally new and affordable M700 rifles. You see a 7mag throated with 250 freebore and adg brass can do all of this. I have one on a 26" proof barrel. rifles. Its designed to send long, sleek, high B.C. Subscribe to OL+ for our best feature stories and photography. Mag. Mag. Again, both seen like great options but I want this to be a hunting rig, as I've got a rifle for shooting steel. bullets far, far downrange with minimal wind deflection and maximal accuracy. This is a long-range dream cartridge for sure. Howdy. All Rights Reserved. First, notice that kinetic energy remains above the elk killing minimum of 1,500 ft-lbs at 700 yards. The 180 Berger VLD was my choice for terminal performance. Nonetheless, it's nice to have options Having so many options these days is a double edged sword. Hornadys 7mm PRC with its high B.C. The most common comparison is 28 Nosler vs 300 Win Mag, because they're both popular in North America and are kissing cousins as far as bullet diameter goes. Many find them, like the 280ai, to be a great compromise between ballistics and recoil. Trustpilot. Mag., 270 Winchester, 30-06 Springfield, and 300 H&H Magnum looked all but washed up. Founded by Frank Galli in 2000, Snipers Hide has been offering informational videos, podcasts, and other support to its users in one location. Brass is not going anywhere as a handloaders cartridge. If you compare Nosler .280 AI brass vs. Nosler 7SAUM brass, you get twice the cases (50) with the .280 AI for only $10 more than what it costs for 25 cases of 7mm SAUM. You might think Remington started the 7mm cartridge trend in 1962 with its famous 7mm Remington Magnum, but by then the 7mm Mauser was already well known. To help you understand the flow of energy, check out the chart-. .280 AI hands-down. Sounds like from above that ADG is making 7 MAX brass, which is what Rich told me last year would be happening. The lighter, shorter 7mm bullets are preferred in these short case magnums. with either the Berger 215- or 230-grain Hybrid and push them at maximum pressures. Mag. If you reload ,other than initial brass price, the cost is nearly identical. Almost through fire forming but ran some pressure ladders with fully formed brass with 180 Berger hybrids, H1000 looks like I'll be at a good max at 3000 fps and R26 3050 fps and I good life. If you dont own a 7mm of any kind and want one strictly for hunting, you might as well get the PRC version. The 28 Nosler is also loaded to a slightly higher pressure than the 300 Win Mag (65,000psi vs 64,000psi). Pretty sure the can thing is a complete game changer on optimal barrel length. If you were to blow the taper out to .010" and add-in a 40-degree shoulder, you would only gain 1.9 grains of case capacity. Ron Spomer The 7mm advantage comes from relatively high BC (ballistic coefficient) bullets in popular weights commonly used for hunting horned and antlered game. Easily fed from a BDL mag box. The 28N is very similar to the 7 STW. without laser assistance. It may not display this or other websites correctly. You are using an out of date browser. I like off the shelf ammo and its 7 mag, 28 Nosler, 7mm-08 and the 280. Going super light though might make the 280 ai another good choice. Either way a shorter fat case will be better With a shorter barrel. If barrel quality is equally consistent, run-of-the-mill accuracy should exceed that of most rifles chambered for older 7mm cartridges. ADG 6.5 SAUM Brass. First, the 7mm Rem Mag and 28 Nosler use larger diameter bullets than the 6.8 Western. Now lets check out the 7mm RUM. In shorter barrels, performance declines dramatically. I have a variety of options on this, as I am planning to do this on a DTA, for which I have both .535 and .585 bolts, and the DTA mags are pretty generous in regard to OAL. ABLR in the 28 Nosler. Fill this brass case with smokeless powder instead of water and, according to some handloading guides, 62.5 grains of Reloder 22 should shove a 175-grain bullet from a 24-inch barrel 2,870 fps. I feel I could easily shoot 180s at the same speed, and the 190s close to it. FWIW, the LRM setup that I have on the way was ordered with 16x-class projectiles in mind. It had impressed its power upon our troops in Cuba under fire from Spanish Mausers in 1898. Or just step up to the 7 SAUM and run 180s if you want more weight. Muzzle energy means the energy of the bullet at the time of leaving the gun. These are some impressive numbers. My 28 will not blow the door of the 7 MAX which is why I did not rechamber a 28, I want more accurate load life and no chasing lands around for only a little gain on the very end of trajectory. Considering the production by Hornady of 6.5 GAP 4S cases, the next logical step appeared to be ammunition coming off the line in Grand Island, Nebraska. SAUM can be found on the . You obviously reload so that may not be an issue. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. The load is easy on brass and accuracy is excellent, Nosler Custom Reloading Brass 280 Remington Ackley Improved 40-Degree, Nosler Custom Reloading Brass 7mm Remington Short Action Ultra Mag Box. 28 Nosler offers excellent performance but brass is spendy and availability is hit or miss . These drawings will be incorporated during the next revision of the relevant SAAMI Standard. SAUM can be found on the Rifle Cartridge Page. Articles may contain affiliate links which enable us to share in the revenue of any purchases made. 8.7 twist 5R and 180 JLKs couldnt consistently make it to 100 past 3Kfps. By 1,000 yards the PRC has nearly a 2-foot drop advantage and 14-inch windage advantage. And in the chambers of their rifles. However, if youre hoping to win a target shooting contest at 600 yards, the 3 inches less wind deflection and 4 inches less drop from the PRC give you a leg up. Mine is a 26" 1-9 twist non saami 280 ackley. burning 61 grains Reloder 22, 28 Nosler, 3,200 fps from 26 bl., 88-grs. Regardless what rifle cartridges were initially designed for, they can be perfect for other applications, which suggests the 7mm PRC could be your next do-all big game hunting cartridge. Brass 1 - 12 of 73 Products Sort By Position 220 Swift Premium Brass (50ct) $108.95 6.5mm PRC Bulk Unprepped Brass (100ct) Out of stock $135.49 6.5mm PRC Premium Brass (50ct) Out of stock $118.95 27 Nosler Premium Brass (25ct) load hitting 2,970 fps and a 28 Nosler hitting 3211fps with the same bullet. Recoil with a brake should be not bad at all even with the light rifle. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. The 175 ELDX load Ive been using is so good no reason to try newer powders or bullets. For reasons that I can't explain (though perhaps have something to do with me eating paint chips as a kid), I have an obsession with 3k FPS muzzle velocity. Creedmoor Sports $ 116.95 . fire forming and case prep amounts to chamfer, add primer, powder and bullet to ADG 7 MAX brass and pull the trigger. Ban sober drivers from driving. Ive got the same dilemma. . HOWEVER, I don't follow the logic of having to use a 26" barrel if you go the Nosler route. Like I said, I'm biased for the 7RM. JavaScript is disabled. The shot prior a half grain less powder had minimal pressure signs. The 7mm Precision Rifle Cartridge is a long-action centerfire rifle cartridge designed to shoot 180 grain bullets at 2,950 fps. I think the 7saum is here to stay. The 280AI is a great cartridge, as is the plain old 280 Remington. loads beautifully, delivering them sub-MOA out to 1,500 yards, then a mile just to say I did it. Im in the market to start a new build. Recoil of a 9# Rem. The 7mm advantage comes from relatively high BC (ballistic coefficient) bullets in popular weights commonly used for hunting horned and antlered game. Should be 7.5lbs scoped or so. We are now conversant in 6mm, 6.5mm, 7.62mm and especially 7mm. Cartridge: 7 RUM. JavaScript seems to be disabled in your browser. They are all throwing the same bullets more than hard and fast enough for anything. Of course, this was an overreaction, but at the time millions were convinced the new 7mm was the do-all-end-all of deer/elk/moose and even bear hunting cartridges. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. The factory offerings for ammo hold no weight with me, but that probably plays a role in many people's decisions. Full Member. The U.S.A. hasnt fully adopted the metric system, but our shooters and hunters have. yea Im leaning more towards the 28 just cause I dont really want to fire form, I know its not the end of the world but just one more step. I am very pleased I am shooting retumbo using adg brass which is excellent brass highly recommend, shooting 165 Gamechanger at 3075, 180 Berger right at 3000. 22 Nosler. from all the adds for the nosler 28, they have the data on the 7 rum dumber down to make them look better. I'm pushing the 175 eldx at 3005 fps, with excellent case life (10+ reloads). Som en stor omfattende nettbutikk er hjemsol forpliktet til hjelpe deg med skape et stt liv med vre utskte produkter. You must log in or register to reply here. We ain't raisen no yuppy girls! All rights reserved. The 7mm shoots .284-inch diameter bullets through bores .28-inch across, but only two use this Imperial measuring system in their titles: .280 Remington and .284 Winchester, both excellent but underrated standard velocity cartridges. Varme Hansker for Sykling, Lping og Kjring, Stor kapasitet skulderveskeKjp 2, -10%, 18-i-1 snfnuggformet multiverkty i rustfritt stl, Bilkropp plastnagler festing (150 stk)Kjp 2, -10%. But to really appreciate this, lets run a trajectory chart out to some crazy ranges. gavevare til innvarming, bryllup, bursdager og alle anledninger. 7mm Rem Short Action Ultra Magnum Load Data 120 Grain 140 Grain 150 Grain 160 Grain 168 Grain 175 Grain 185 Grain PRIVACY USE ORDER PROCESSING SERVICE & RETURNS Copyright 2023 NOSLER INC. Arbeidstid: 08.00-16.00mandag til fredagVi vil svare deg innen 48-72 timer. Thats the 7mm magnum advantage. Elk, moose, kudu and similar large . This is Not a New Thing. Ron Spomer It may not display this or other websites correctly. ADG 300 Rem Ultra Mag Brass. Will the 156 take down an elk, sure but I would prefer to have a .284 caliber in a biased opinion. Nosler shortened the RUM case, gave it a 35-degree shoulder, and shortened the neck to .276. bullet wins the wind deflection category. He is having adg make brass for him, its head stamped and the neck diameter and length are correct for his design, will still need to be fire formed. If you go with a hot 7mm, get one with a fairly heavy barrel contour. When making your choice, don't factor in component or ammo availability. As mentioned above, one of the nice things about the 7RM is factory ammo is plentiful and fairly inexpensive. 28 Nosler offers excellent performance but brass is spendy and availability is hit or miss . At SAAMI specs you really hinder the performance, need a little extra freebore to seat the bullets out further. It is intended for long-range shooting due to its ability to utilize high BC bullets, and is also uniquely suited for hunting large animals such as elk. The 28 isn't blowing the doors of the MAX. I used to shoot 154gr hornady interbonds at 3750 and latest was not to push over 3400. Retained mass helps maintain momentum. The Nosler Reloading Guide 9 lists a 175-gr. The extra heat required to reach hyper speed eats away at barrel throats rather quickly. ADG 7 SAUM Brass. Note: A full length article about the 7mm WSM and 7mm Rem. The 7mm has a longer barrel and is heavier. I also kicked around the idea of 7max, but can always go that route later. Versitile and with the right twist rate can really launch some High BC pills out there. Overall cartridge length of the 7mm RUM is 3.6 inches, right there with a .375 H&H Magnum. So how do you choose among these three? 7 saum and 7 rem mag seem like good compromises. And with RL33 hes getting 3140 fps (pretty easily), using Retumbo (for it's temp stability) drops it about 75 fps. To comply with the new e-Privacy directive, we need to ask for your consent to set the cookies. You are using an out of date browser. If your just hunting without extended range sessions I'g use this over the 7rem mag. I made the same decision not long ago and went 7mm RM, although barrel life was a consideration for me, which it probably wouldn't be on a strictly hunting rig. Mag. ADG 30 Nosler Brass. I can't tell you how many cartridge choices I've settled on, only to change my mind again and again. Creedmoor Sports $ 86.95 . This compromise should account for the slower muzzle velocities many rifles produce with factory loads and safe handloads. Three quid k shots can overheat a thin barrel and turn a 1 MOA rifle into a 2 MOA. Wyoming NR Special increase headed for the Gov's signature, Nutrition/Running/Strength Training/Other Workouts, FORLOH AllClima Softshell and AllClima Stretch Woven Pant Review. Trustpilot. The 7mm Remington Mag generates significant recoil of 22.15 ft-lbs at 13.32 fps. Here, the hardness is nearly twice that of around the neck. When I add this up, I default to the 7mm Rem. You must log in or register to reply here. Dec 7, 2019 #14 ; 7 mag easy. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Mag. Thanks, BnG. 180-gr. They straightened the sidewalls. High-velocity cartridges are high velocity for a reason. Like most of our early magnums, this is based on the belted .375 H&H Magnum case. While the 7 Rem Mag has been built on everything from 1:8 twist to 1:10, most spin 1:9. 7mm Rem. The .28 Nosler and 7mm RUM push the same bulletsjust faster. Kind of soured me on light bullet's. The structure of the material reveals the hardness. I set my dies to headspace off the shoulder and forget about the belt. This precision does not mean the 7mm PRC is a long range target round only. With a 160 grain bullet the Remington figures are 2960 fps and 3112 ft. lbs. But they didnt shorten anything. Now I am waffling between the 6.5x284 Norma and the 300 PRC. JavaScript is disabled. This calls for a light rifle. A bigger concern might be barrel heating and subsequent wandering. Thin barrels tend to distort slightly with heat, opening up groups. Categories I also kicked around the idea of 7max, but can always go that route later. The 180's will work with a 9 nit the bigger bullets will have a decided edge in the wind. My conclusion: if you already own any 7mm magnum for hunting, (7mm WSM, 7mm SAUM, 7mm RM, 7mm LRM, 7mm STW, 7mm Wby. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. ADG 7mm Rem Ultra Mag Brass. Therefore recoil is not a problem with bullets of 140-150grs. 7mm mag has stood the test of time. Reloading the 28 is also not inexpensive. Copyright Ron Spomer Outdoors document.write(new Date().getFullYear()) While testing some upgraded M700 Remington rifles at FTW Ranch last summer, I simultaneously test drove the pre-release 7mm PRC from Hornady. . With a 160 grain bullet the Winchester figures are 2990 fps and 3176 ft. lbs. You are using an out of date browser. Going to be used from antelope to elk. RL-19, H4350, and IMR 4350 are all good choices. for their 7mm SAUM with a 140 grain bullet. Saw some shiney spots, no bolt lift but did open the pocket a little to the point of a few firings at 3120 fps. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. 28 nosler is a great choice for the heavies mine is throated for the 195 eols but im gonna try the 190 atips soon. I wouldn't do either in a 24" , I would definitely go 26" at a minimum. Trustpilot. Teddy Roosevelt was so impressed that he used the 757 as a basis for what became the .30-06 Springfield. I did 7remmag. You must log in or register to reply here. Additionally you can tune your load so accuracy difference go out the window. Supporter. It slightly exceeds the ballistic performance of the short-action 7mm SAUM on the right. Reloading data published in the fifth edition of the Nosler Reloading Guide for the 7mm Rem. $94.95 $79.95. I like the 6.5 PRC because I think ammo/brass will have more staying power where the 7mm SAUM is all but obsolete (don't stone me for that). And that means more powder. Not to concerned about the barrel life, you cant expect Ferrari performance and get Prius fuel mileage haha theres always a trade off, I think a mild load in a 28 might be the best of both worlds. 7 RUM Choose an option 6.5 PRC 6.5 SAUM 7 SAUM 7 REM MAG 7 RUM 28 NOSLER 300 WIN MAG 300 NORMA MAG 300 PRC 300 RUM 30 NOSLER 338 LAPUA 338 RUM 338 EDGE 300 WSM 375 RUM 7 REM MAG BRIGHT 338 RUM BRIGHT 30 NOSLER BRIGHT. Sign up with your email address to receive news and updates. at the muzzle. ADG 300 Norma Magnum Brass. The LRM feeds perfectly, much better than the SAUM. Trustpilot. It will never be as popular as a 6.5PRC or 28nosler, but it has a purpose. Clearly the 28 Nosler is the flat trajectory King here, but at the expense of more recoil, more powder, and a fairly large, standard-length action to fit the .534 rim/head circumference. Im going to run the 7 Saum Im thinking. That's what I would do unless you have to have something much faster. ADG 28 Nosler. I have both the 300 and 7mm SAUM, the 300 is on a model 7 action and the 7mm a standard 700SA. Mag. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. My Saum is on a med length action and was a full tilt everything I wanted build. I have a 28 nosler, and love it, but I wanted the extra 200 FPS from hand . Clearly Hornady wasnt trying to break any speed records with the 7 PRC. As the .30-06 Springfield has a .473 case head and uses the .470 +/- bolt face, any cartridges list on the above two bolt face diameter and action length database charts above, that also use the .470 +/- bolt face, and have a COAL of 3.34 or shorter, will work with .30-06 actions. Despite all this powder volume, reloading guides all indicate the 7mm RUM tops out at around 3,150 fps with a 26-inch barrel, slightly slower than the .28 Nosler. We have killed over a half dozen deer over 850 yards with the 195 berger so i know it performs well on game (never lost a deer with the 195 even with one having poor shot placement). Its likely to be as popular in the 21st century as the Rem Mag was in the 20th. Subscribe to OL+ for our best feature stories and photography. 12 Gauge 1". I don't feel the need to give up barrel life (it may be a hunting rifle but I still practice with it) for a marginal increase in speed, as well as more powder and more expensive brass. Now lets compare this to our other two 7mm candidates. But then none have put it all together quite like Hornadys new 7mm PRC (Precision Rifle Cartridge.) Read Next: Small Calibers for Big Game. Few, if any, cartridges shoot as flat and hit as hard at distance as the 7mm Weatherby. I would go 7 LRM if it wasn't for the Hornady brass . Of course, you can exactly match 7mm ballistics with a .308 bullet if BC and MV are identical. A barrel shot out for target competition might remain more than accurate enough for big game hunting. Reloading data published in the fifth edition of the Nosler Reloading Guide for the 7mm Rem. I went 7SAUM. I also see the counter that belted cases are reloaded just like non belted and it is a non issue. The .28 Nosler of 2015 was their solution. You could beat it by loading that same bullet in the 28 Nosler, but youre still facing the barrel burn out issue. I neither believe in this minimum nor in shooting elk at 700 yards, but this is impressive performance for a standard-length cartridge nearing its 60th birthday. Im going to run a tikka action/stock trigger with spring upgrade with a 22in carbon barrel and a light weight scope. With a 28" I got 2950~2975 with a 195 and 3150 with a 180. |
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